Wednesday, November 26, 2003

Wow, I just feel so much better from my depression I'm having the last few days now.

XtremeVerbatage: true?
Dilapoid: Hm?
XtremeVerbatage: XtremeVerbatage (6:22:20 PM): it trains you to look at things logically
XtremeVerbatage (6:22:28 PM): to break down an image
XtremeVerbatage (6:22:36 PM): see how it's comprised
XtremeVerbatage (6:22:53 PM): where the parts fit in
XtremeVerbatage: speaking about geometry
Dilapoid: Yeah. That's what I was saying, sort of.
XtremeVerbatage: and let's examine poetry using those conventions
XtremeVerbatage: we break down poetry
Dilapoid: I think I already do this in some ways, at least. I do see multiple things in one thing often.
XtremeVerbatage: see how it's comprised
XtremeVerbatage: where its parts fit in
Dilapoid: Yeah. I already do this to an extent lol.
XtremeVerbatage: then you're already using geometry
Dilapoid: Then why am I taking it?
Dilapoid: Because it's required.
XtremeVerbatage: so why deny it has uses to apply to what you do?
Dilapoid: But its SPECIFIC uses don't apply to me.
XtremeVerbatage: and suck it up
Dilapoid: I am.
XtremeVerbatage: I don't hear you sucking...
XtremeVerbatage: lol
Dilapoid: *suck*
Dilapoid: There.
XtremeVerbatage: better
XtremeVerbatage: ::gives Mitch a cookie::
Dilapoid: Math is just frustrating to me.
Dilapoid: It's always been like that.
Dilapoid: It's never come easy.
XtremeVerbatage: we treat poetry like geometry
XtremeVerbatage: so treat geometry like poetry
Dilapoid: It doesn't feel like it at all to me.
Dilapoid: It isn't using my own things to express myself.
Dilapoid: It's using set shapes to express something that doesn't matter to me anyways..lol.
XtremeVerbatage: we all have to sell-out to school sometime
Dilapoid: I use language as my geometry.
Dilapoid: Not geometry as my language.
Dilapoid: And it is going to stay that way.
XtremeVerbatage: better to sell-out now while you can
Dilapoid: Sell-out...as in...?
Dilapoid: Give up?
XtremeVerbatage: not at all
XtremeVerbatage: but accept the reality that we can't always do what we want
Dilapoid: I realize this.
XtremeVerbatage: then know it
Dilapoid: It's just the way I am. I am saying that geometry is useless to me because it is in most cases...but I am being also sarcastic. It's the way I am towards things I find inane.
Dilapoid: It probably ends up sounding like complaining..
Dilapoid: But I do it to make myself grin and bear it.
Dilapoid: After all, if something isn't fun once in a while, what's the use in it?
Dilapoid: So I try to have fun with geometry.
XtremeVerbatage: so treat it like poetry
Dilapoid: I am doing it do a different extent here.
Dilapoid: But it isn't poetry to me.
Dilapoid: I can't treat something like it's something if it isn't.
Dilapoid: Poetry comes from my mind and on paper in just a snap.
XtremeVerbatage: ::shakes head and mutters::
Dilapoid: Geometry comes on my paper like a garbled monster.
XtremeVerbatage: I should hope you don't think yourself as in control of your mind...
Dilapoid: No. Not at all.
XtremeVerbatage: good.
Dilapoid: Why treat it like poetry? It isn't poetry.
Dilapoid: It's cold calculation.
Dilapoid: Not poetry.
XtremeVerbatage: XtremeVerbatage (6:22:20 PM): it trains you to look at things logically
XtremeVerbatage (6:22:28 PM): to break down an image
XtremeVerbatage (6:22:36 PM): see how it's comprised
XtremeVerbatage (6:22:53 PM): where the parts fit in
XtremeVerbatage (6:29:52 PM): speaking about geometry
Dilapoid (6:30:05 PM): Yeah. That's what I was saying, sort of.

XtremeVerbatage: XtremeVerbatage (6:30:20 PM): and let's examine poetry using those conventions
XtremeVerbatage (6:30:25 PM): we break down poetry
Dilapoid (6:30:27 PM): I think I already do this in some ways, at least. I do see multiple things in one thing often.
XtremeVerbatage (6:30:29 PM): see how it's comprised
XtremeVerbatage (6:30:35 PM): where its parts fit in
Dilapoid (6:30:43 PM): Yeah. I already do this to an extent lol.
XtremeVerbatage (6:30:50 PM): then you're already using geometry
Dilapoid: I call that allegory, if you must know. And allusion.
XtremeVerbatage: so you're telling me...
XtremeVerbatage: that geometry is not poetry at all
Dilapoid: Not to me.
XtremeVerbatage: that messages are not presented using geometry
XtremeVerbatage: that emotions are not spread
XtremeVerbatage: what do you think graphic design is?
XtremeVerbatage: or painting?
XtremeVerbatage: that's poetry
XtremeVerbatage: and it uses geometry
XtremeVerbatage: an eye for design
Dilapoid: But it isn't, in extereme essence, geometry.
Dilapoid: It doesn't follow its exact rules.
Dilapoid: *extreme
XtremeVerbatage: did you ever hear of the "perfect paper structure"?
Dilapoid: No.
XtremeVerbatage: it's an organization of a paper that is so perfectly designed, one can't help but understand it
XtremeVerbatage: and this structure comes out of knowing geometry
Dilapoid: But tell me...
Dilapoid: Do they put on the pages, "The circumcenter of blah blah blah is blah blah blah because of blah blah blah postulate."
Dilapoid: Or something else.
Dilapoid: That is geometry from what I've learned. It's taking principles of shapes and applying them and using them to find something or proove something...such as triangles are congruent etc.
Dilapoid: *prove
XtremeVerbatage: so what is a research paper?
Dilapoid: Stupid double oness.
XtremeVerbatage: or a poem?
Dilapoid: A research paper is regurgiation of what you know on something.
XtremeVerbatage: taking principles of shapes and applying them and using them to find something to prove something
XtremeVerbatage: or prove*
Dilapoid: You research whatever the topic is...then regurgiate it in your own words on paper.
Dilapoid: That is what I just said.
XtremeVerbatage: you're only looking at superficiality
XtremeVerbatage: think about this
XtremeVerbatage: look deeper into what research papers do
Dilapoid: They teach you factual information on a subject.
XtremeVerbatage: look deeper into what poetry does
XtremeVerbatage: oh god
XtremeVerbatage: ok
XtremeVerbatage: this convo is over
XtremeVerbatage: if you are so totally unwilling to think outside the box
Dilapoid: Well, that's what a research paper does.
XtremeVerbatage: and keep harping on this superficial ideal
Dilapoid: That's the reality of it.
XtremeVerbatage: no, Mitch
XtremeVerbatage: that's not the reality of it
XtremeVerbatage: that's what you think
Dilapoid: It teaches you something with truth.
Dilapoid: Or at least what's been found to the truth.
XtremeVerbatage: OH WAIT!
XtremeVerbatage: so,
XtremeVerbatage: papers lead you to the truth
XtremeVerbatage: right?
Dilapoid: Yes.
XtremeVerbatage: and...
XtremeVerbatage: what do postulates and theorems do?
Dilapoid: You want me say lead you to the truth.
Dilapoid: But to what truth?
XtremeVerbatage: don't they?
XtremeVerbatage: answer the question
XtremeVerbatage: don't get into semantics
XtremeVerbatage: answer the question
Dilapoid: A postulate is based upon nothing. It's simply believed in. It's faithed in.
Dilapoid: And theorems are born from postulates.
XtremeVerbatage: does it lead you to the truth
Dilapoid: Well, can nothing give you something that is the truth?
XtremeVerbatage: do you argue that a triangle does not have 3 sides?
Dilapoid: It's right in its name. Tri-angle.
XtremeVerbatage: thus
XtremeVerbatage: a truth
Dilapoid: A truth that does nothing for me.
XtremeVerbatage: so, I ask you once again
XtremeVerbatage: what do postulates and theorems do?
Dilapoid: As I said, a postulate is faithed in. It doesn't have anything that proves it's true. And theorems arise from postulates.
Dilapoid: This is what I learned in geometry.
Dilapoid: And postulates don't have counterexamples that make them false.
XtremeVerbatage: then they cannot be false
Dilapoid: So they are considered true.
XtremeVerbatage: correect?
XtremeVerbatage: and thus
XtremeVerbatage: true
Dilapoid: Considered. They are believed to be true.
Dilapoid: But not absolutely.
XtremeVerbatage: but they cannot be considered false
Dilapoid: If a counterexample is provided they can.
Dilapoid: They aren't absolute.
Dilapoid: Geometry its self is based in inabsolute truths, then.
XtremeVerbatage: but has a counterexample been provided to a triangle/
XtremeVerbatage: ?
Dilapoid: No.
Dilapoid: But I don't believe in something unless it's absolute.
Dilapoid: This stems to God.
XtremeVerbatage: has a counterexample been provided to a square having 4 equal sides?
Dilapoid: No.
Dilapoid: It's common sense that a square has four sides that are equal.
Dilapoid: By looking at it you can see it.
XtremeVerbatage: has a counterexample been provided to opposite angles of 2 intersecting lines being unequal?
Dilapoid: No.
XtremeVerbatage: being equal*
XtremeVerbatage: see?
Dilapoid: These are simple things seen by the eye, though.
XtremeVerbatage: so you are able to eyeball an angle?
XtremeVerbatage: I thought you sucked at math
Dilapoid: Geometry gets a lot more verbose than just that.
Dilapoid: Alt interior angles are congruent iff 2 lines are parallel.
Dilapoid: You can't tell that just by looking at a line, that some two angles are always going to be congruent.
Dilapoid: And yet it'
Dilapoid: *it's based on something inabsolute..
Dilapoid: But it's said to be true for all we know.
XtremeVerbatage: why inabsolute?
XtremeVerbatage: there has been nothing to disprove it
Dilapoid: As I said, postulates don't have things that prove them.
XtremeVerbatage: and,
XtremeVerbatage: thus
XtremeVerbatage: if there is nothing to disprove something,
Dilapoid: And if a counterexample is provided then it's obvious there it goes.
XtremeVerbatage: that something is absolute
XtremeVerbatage: and has a counterexample been provided?
Dilapoid: Something absolute is CERTAINLY, obviously, neverendlingly, without any doubt true.
Dilapoid: There isn't a doubt that it can be proved false.
Dilapoid: *can't
Dilapoid: So it isn't absolute.
Dilapoid: But, yes, as far as I know, it's true.
XtremeVerbatage: but has it been proven false?
Dilapoid: But I'm only believing what I've been told. What if it is't right? I'm not going to believe in something not knowing if it's true or it isn't. What is the point in that? There isn't much point other than putting stakes in something for your benefit.
Dilapoid: I just want the reality of things.
Dilapoid: The absolute truth.
Dilapoid: Not sophisticated mumbo jumbo.
XtremeVerbatage: and the reality of things is that you have to accept things
Dilapoid: And I have..
XtremeVerbatage: you said you realise that,
Dilapoid: But not fully.
XtremeVerbatage: Mitch,
XtremeVerbatage: you haven't
XtremeVerbatage: just by what we talked about here
XtremeVerbatage: you still refuse to accept something because it doesn't agree with you
Dilapoid: Well, this is the way I am. I am tenacious. Stubborn.
Dilapoid: God doesn't agree with me? In some ways, yes.
Dilapoid: But he isn't absolute.
Dilapoid: So I don't have to worry about him.
Dilapoid: I don't care.
Dilapoid: If I die and go to hell, so be it.
XtremeVerbatage: god...
XtremeVerbatage: apathy
Dilapoid: If I die and am nothing, so be it.
Dilapoid: What is the difference to me?
Dilapoid: Not anything.
Dilapoid: Well, this is what my whole point of absolution was.
Dilapoid: God.
Dilapoid: It's the senscial thing to compare to absolution...and truth etc.
Dilapoid: If something is true, it must be absolute. This is what I stand by. It must exist. It must be proven and seen and known. It can't be imagined. It can't be a lie. A truth is a truth.
XtremeVerbatage: you do realize the comparison you just made, right
XtremeVerbatage: math and science to religion
Dilapoid: Yes/
Dilapoid: Science and religion can coexist, you know.
XtremeVerbatage: and you just said they're pretty much the same
XtremeVerbatage: fuck the evolution angle
XtremeVerbatage: that's not where I'm going or coming from
Dilapoid: I didn't say they're the same.
Dilapoid: I said they compare to one another on some levels.
XtremeVerbatage: Dilapoid (7:00:12 PM): Well, this is what my whole point of absolution was.
Dilapoid (7:00:15 PM): God.
Dilapoid (7:00:37 PM): It's the senscial thing to compare to absolution...and truth etc.
Dilapoid: And what I've just said is said here again.
Dilapoid: I was comparing.
Dilapoid: How people put belief in postulates not knowing they are true.
Dilapoid: And how people put faith in God not knowing they are true.
Dilapoid: That is the comparsion there.
Dilapoid: I am not saying they are alike.
Dilapoid: I am saying they compare on that level.
XtremeVerbatage: you realize you're full of shit, right?
XtremeVerbatage: no offence, of course
Dilapoid: Whatever.
XtremeVerbatage: whatever...the best response from an apathetic
Dilapoid: Everyone has shit in them. We all eat and use energy and make waste.
XtremeVerbatage: harhar
XtremeVerbatage: Mitch is now going metaphysical
XtremeVerbatage: ::rolls eyes::
Dilapoid: We are not going to see eye-to-eye, and I guess you can't even see my point enough to say, "Well, he's not stupid, at least."
Dilapoid: I am not saying I am right. I am saying what I think.
Dilapoid: Again, it's the ego I sense in this argument lol.
XtremeVerbatage: and here we again go back to "it's my opinion"
XtremeVerbatage: lol
XtremeVerbatage: good call
Dilapoid: Well, I am just trying to tell you that I have a right to believe what I want, whether I am full of shit and apathetical or whatnot.
Dilapoid: Just like you.
Dilapoid: And if you think outside the box...it's best to see what I'm saying and understand this angle.
XtremeVerbatage: understand this angle.
XtremeVerbatage: math
XtremeVerbatage: :-D
Dilapoid: Well, it's grown to God.
Dilapoid: I think we somewhat agree in points on geometry.
Dilapoid: But definitely not all.
Dilapoid: I understand how math can be poetry.
Dilapoid: But I don't get any emotion at all from it.
Dilapoid: So I think that's a terrible comparison...or even absolution--the absolution that math is poetry.
Dilapoid: Geometry especially doesn't make sense to me.
Dilapoid: As the transcendentalists have said..
Dilapoid: Simplify, simplify, simplify.
Dilapoid: And all math, in its deeper levels does, is complex and complex and complex and build and build and build.
XtremeVerbatage: have you been exposed to derivatives?
Dilapoid: No.
Dilapoid: Is that somthing to do with math?
XtremeVerbatage: it's around cal
Dilapoid: *something
XtremeVerbatage: calc
Dilapoid: I won't be taking calculus most likely.
XtremeVerbatage: it doesn't build and build and build
Dilapoid: Unless I am forced.
XtremeVerbatage: it simplifies
XtremeVerbatage: you are given a problem
XtremeVerbatage: an equation
Dilapoid: Well, that aside, most math is like that in its deeper levels. There's always exceptions.
XtremeVerbatage: and asked to simplify
Dilapoid: Sure.
Dilapoid: Hm.
XtremeVerbatage: to arrive at an answer
Dilapoid: I thought you said you would give me an example.
Dilapoid: That's why I said sure.
XtremeVerbatage: I didn't
Dilapoid: Simplifying fractions.
Dilapoid: There is another.
Dilapoid: A lot more simple one as well.
Dilapoid: I still think the simplest things are the most beautiful.
XtremeVerbatage: eh
Dilapoid: And math isn't one of those simplest things to me personally.
XtremeVerbatage: I love doing derivatives
XtremeVerbatage: massive amounts of deltas
XtremeVerbatage: xs
XtremeVerbatage: ys
Dilapoid: Bleh.
XtremeVerbatage: i'm not even a math major, either
XtremeVerbatage: i actually suck at math
Dilapoid: I suck and hate it with a passion.
XtremeVerbatage: but you know how I got an A in my course?
Dilapoid: So I guess there's a difference lol.
Dilapoid: ?
XtremeVerbatage: I got over my personal hatreds of things, got over how I hated certain texts
XtremeVerbatage: and made myself enjoy it
XtremeVerbatage: controlled my mind
XtremeVerbatage: and you know what now?
Dilapoid: ?
XtremeVerbatage: I occasionally crack open my college math book
XtremeVerbatage: and do some problems
XtremeVerbatage: just for fun
Dilapoid: Well, that isn't my idea of fun.
XtremeVerbatage: but you can make it fun
XtremeVerbatage: that's my entire point
XtremeVerbatage: to do well anywhere,
Dilapoid: No, math is fun..
XtremeVerbatage: make it fun for yourself
Dilapoid: It's simpler parts.
Dilapoid: *uts
Dilapoid: *its
XtremeVerbatage: don't just look at a calculus book and think, "Fuck"
Dilapoid: Well, that's what I say anyways.
Dilapoid: lol
XtremeVerbatage: look at it and think, "hm. this is gonna be neat."
Dilapoid: I am nihilistic and negative. Of course that's what I'm going to think.
XtremeVerbatage: and through metacognition and self-aware, you can overcome that
Dilapoid: And I don't want to. I like me the way I am now lol.
XtremeVerbatage: i'm sure you like how you feel half the time
XtremeVerbatage: i'm sure you enjoy depression
XtremeVerbatage: apathy
Dilapoid: I love my emotions I'd say.
Dilapoid: Yes.
XtremeVerbatage: lol
XtremeVerbatage: so you're now telling me,
Dilapoid: And what's wrong with that? It's enjoying the finer things in life?
Dilapoid: :p
XtremeVerbatage: that all those entries in you MyOtaku where you're griping,
XtremeVerbatage: and complaining
XtremeVerbatage: and bitching and moaning
XtremeVerbatage: are all out of positiveness?
XtremeVerbatage: ::rolls eyes::
Dilapoid: I didn't say that!
Dilapoid: lol
XtremeVerbatage: you are so full of shit ;-)
Dilapoid: Now you put words in my mouth..
Dilapoid: lol
Dilapoid: At least I'm not full of death.
Dilapoid: Or something horrid like Richard Simmons.
Dilapoid: Negativity has its positives. It's more realistic than hope will ever be. And hope is one of the most positive things.
XtremeVerbatage: Richard Simmons is teh shit
Dilapoid: Damnit.
Dilapoid: Now we're back to square one.
Dilapoid: I'm full of shit, he's "teh" shit..
XtremeVerbatage: lol
XtremeVerbatage: sorry dude
Dilapoid: Which, I don't see the difference between having shit and being "teh" shit.
Dilapoid: lol
XtremeVerbatage: but Richard Simmons can kick your ass
Dilapoid: Anyone can kick my ass. I'm physically weak.
Dilapoid: I suck at physical sports.
XtremeVerbatage: speaking of physically weak
XtremeVerbatage: i was watching South Park last night
XtremeVerbatage: the episode with the cripple fight
XtremeVerbatage: my god it was hilarious
Dilapoid: Timmy and that one kid?
XtremeVerbatage: yep
XtremeVerbatage: Jimmy
Dilapoid: Heh.
Dilapoid: God damnit god damnit.
XtremeVerbatage: the show pulls no punches
Dilapoid: Or whatever he says.
XtremeVerbatage: i think he just stutters a lot
Dilapoid: Yes.
XtremeVerbatage: then I was able to catch VH1's Behind South Park thing
Dilapoid: Heh.
XtremeVerbatage: you never realize how literal South Park
Dilapoid: Is?
XtremeVerbatage: South Park is, until you actually realize it
Dilapoid: lol
XtremeVerbatage: my typing has sucked today
XtremeVerbatage: LOLOL
Dilapoid: Mine has been nihilistic.
Dilapoid: Or something.
Dilapoid: LOLZZ
XtremeVerbatage: typing can't be negative
XtremeVerbatage: it's just a keyboard and keys
Dilapoid: It can't be positive either.
Dilapoid: So screw math.
Dilapoid: ll
Dilapoid: *lol
XtremeVerbatage: Mitch tried to insult math by using the keyboard
Dilapoid: It can only be in the middle, uncaring--apathetical.
Dilapoid: Take that and show it to me math.
Dilapoid: Let me see you come back from that one.
Dilapoid: lol
Dilapoid: I only tried
Dilapoid: ?
Dilapoid: Ah wlel.
Dilapoid: *well
Dilapoid: It's just more sarcasm from me.
Dilapoid: It's what makes me laugh, anyways.
XtremeVerbatage: unsuccessful sarcasm, too
XtremeVerbatage: no offence
XtremeVerbatage: ;-)
Dilapoid: Unsuccesful to you.
Dilapoid: lol
XtremeVerbatage: unsuccessful to anyone who isn't you, Mitchy boy
Dilapoid: We'll see.
Dilapoid: I bet someone would like my humor.
XtremeVerbatage: most just find it weird for the sake of being weird
Dilapoid: You and I are just different people.
Dilapoid: lol
Dilapoid: I bet you have millions of convos saved about this as well.
Dilapoid: Heh.
Dilapoid: I guess I'm just a waste of anything it seems according to you from this convo lol.
XtremeVerbatage: at least 30
XtremeVerbatage: not a total
XtremeVerbatage: not a total waste
XtremeVerbatage: like Charles said,
XtremeVerbatage: you have potential
XtremeVerbatage: you just need to realize how to use it
Dilapoid: So I should just not post on OB with my humor, or anything. And I should quit writing because I don't write well, etc.
Dilapoid: Sounds fine enough to me.
Dilapoid: Kill your beauties, kill them.
Dilapoid: Well, it is time to eat.
Dilapoid: Goodbye. I'm off to waste more of my potential.
XtremeVerbatage: allrighty

Auto response from XtremeVerbatage: "why do you eat oyour heart," i asked
in a whisp'ring lisp.
"i do not eat my heart," was the answer
"it eats me."
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